This is ~1 hour conversation with Daniel McShea (https://scholars.duke.edu/person/dmcshea) and Gunnar Babcock (https://gunnarbabcock.com/) on topics of biology, evolution, causation, explanation, and the machine metaphor.
Exploring the unseen forces of life, cognition, and emergence — with Professor Michael Levin. Conversations on morphogenesis, bioelectricity, synthetic biology, and the nature of intelligence.